autopost | 04:17 AM |
06/05 : TMT wins A semifinal vs 7 PT Spread 21-0
TMT improves to 2-0 in the postseason, while 7 PT Spread exits at 1-1.
This is the fewest points scored in a game this season by TMT, and the second time TMT shutout an opponent this season. The victory continues a 8 game winning streak for TMT which now stands at 9 wins in a row.
This is the fewest points scored in a game this season by 7 PT Spread, and the first time 7 PT Spread failed to score against an opponent this season. The loss ends a 3 game winning streak for 7 PT Spread.
These teams have now squared off against each other 4 times. TMT has won all 4 matchups. Their prior meeting was a Fairfax County Flag Football League "A" regular season game Apr 23 2014, 21:00, which TMT won 23-14. Overall, TMT is 4-0 against 7 PT Spread.
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TOM
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| 04:23 AM |
This is actually a forfeit win for TMT - 7pt Spread can`t field a team this THU. TMT is the higher seed, so it is their option (not 7pt) to resched or take F win. |
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Wow Tom | 06:47 AM |
But wouldn`t you like to see two of the best teams in your league & the entire state of VA battle it for a right at a title shot? This is kinda painful to hear knowing how the Quality of our league is always bring brought into question; this is one of the main reasons why. Schedule it as a doubleheader for Wednesday or something; this just looks bad and gives a bad impression of our league IMO |
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TMT | 06:52 AM |
Is whack for not trying to reschedule. Never seen a team on any flag league not reschedule unless they are straight up scared to play. Good luck ladies. |
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^^ | 07:00 AM |
are there other options to play? |
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2 options | 07:43 AM |
And the ladies took the latter. Obviously they do not want to play 7pt which is a shame. |
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Whaaat | 07:44 AM |
The schedule has been posted for over a week. 7pt has. Known about this. What kind of pu55ies forfeit smh |
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$$$ | 07:56 AM |
wow, what says TMT...pretty muchscarp to not reschedule |
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Yo Thomas! | 08:02 AM |
There has to be more to this story. I understand, there may be a night or a reason a team can`t play. Out of respect for that team informing the league they can`t field a team, I have NEVER heard of their opponent refusing to reschedule, and taking the forfiet win. What`s the scoop here? TMT bitter about the Sunday morning league bs? |
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^^^ | 08:06 AM |
come on TMT...let us know what the deal is, bc on the surface this seems weak |
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#27 TMT | 08:07 AM |
Everyone saying TMT is scared to play 7pt is a complete idiot. We beat em once and there is no reason we won`t do it again, schedules conflict for y`all this week and us next week so obviously will take the F win. You all saw the schedule and knew who you were playing if you beat whoop diddy! Don`t get it twisted, and don`t make stuff up because you know who we are! |
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yeah | 08:08 AM |
just seems like they are scared of 7pt. they did dodge gameface but at least that was the luck of the draw. |
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tmt player | 08:16 AM |
TMT is 3-0 against 7 pt, trust me no one is afraid to play them. 7 pt knew the game was thursday and we are all grown men who schedule our week out in advance. Im sure 7 pt could`ve put a team together, they just dont want to play because maybe one or two role players wont be there.. Stop with the excuses! |
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CodyW 7 PT Spread coach |  |
| 08:17 AM |
27 you obviously have 0 facts about why this happened. Has nothing to do with anybody being scared of anybody moreso there was 1 day we couldn`t play.... And after going from the possible double header last night to the following Monday after y`all beat project x Roberto switched up again and decided to pick Thursday... The one day we can`t play.... So basically the game has switched twice already although Tom didnt posted until after the project x game.... Lots of respect loss, no sleep though. Good luck fellas..
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well | 08:20 AM |
Cody, i find it crazy that you can`t field a team this Thursday? You are saying you can`t get 8 men out there to play? Are you missing that many players? |
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Damn | 08:23 AM |
#27 sounds like a bum...too bad for Cody |
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CodyW 7 PT Spread coach |  |
| 08:23 AM |
1 or 2 players won`t be there lol... You can`t pass that one on this league.... We`ve never EVER tried to reschedule a game revolved around any single player or players... Anybody in this league can attest that we show up with whoever we got... We don`t plan around the schedule given not yet to get Tom to adjust it... Hence why half my players last night was under the assumption we had a double header.... Because that`s what I told them, because that`s what was told to me.... And I didn`t resend an email after all the ****ery..... Now if you really want to set fire to this thread I`ll screen shot you `why` your captain said y`all couldn`t play last night... Cuz us and whoopdiddy were ok with double header...... |
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27 | 08:49 AM |
If I`m the bum why don`t you man up and let me know who you are so you can say it to my face? |
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@cody | 08:58 AM |
show the screen shot...that might keep 27 quiet |
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Hmmm.... | 08:59 AM |
Starting to sound a bit more like 7pt wanted to try and get this game in, one way or another (other than the ONE night they couldn`t play), and TMT punked out. |
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Please | 09:07 AM |
Yes show the screen shot |
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funny | 09:12 AM |
Here is what is crazy the schedulde was up for a week so everyone knew the date. 7pt you just said you "never EVER tried to reschedule ever" so my question is why now? Last week when the schedule was posted did you try and tell Tom then? There has to be somehting more to this. I think it would of been a good game. Just would like to know more. |
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Fact is... | 09:12 AM |
TMT didn`t want to "give in" to Cody & 7 pts demands...they felt as Cody was tryna "pull weight" with the league and have his say override TMT.
Honestly, the best and most reasonable solution, moving forward after this season, is to COLLECTIVELY agree on a night & time that works FOR BOTH TEAMS!!! TMT gets a cake walk to the title is BS & would never go down in any other league BUT...to each is own...
I feel like there`s more to this while situation than what`s being said & told to everyone, similar to TMT situation from Sunday against SC |
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re | 09:15 AM |
Seems like there could have been some solution here. It is BS a team gets to the finals without playing for it. That`s why, in my mind, TMT will always have an asterisk next to their name for this season. |
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TMT Headquarters | 09:16 AM |
We B*tched up. No other way around it. |
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TMT ladies | 09:17 AM |
If ya scared just say ya scared. The facts all point to TMT dodging the game. As I said I never ever ever have seen in my life of flag which is irrelevant some team take the F. Guess you can`t stop bi*chassness. |
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Grove 7 PT Spread |  |
| 09:21 AM |
Looks like TMT guys are posting without signing in (27 I know you are identifying yourself)
Looks like TMT is politicing. While the final post says Thursday everyone knows the captains are contacted directly by Tom.
You guys didnt want to play Monday because you needed to "rest up" it`s flag football. Game should have been played last night |
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**** | 09:22 AM |
The bottom line is this; if you want to control the schedule you must finish as the top seed, it`s always been that way. Regular season games do matter, don`t hate TMT or 7pt for that matter. FWIW, this season there was a request to move a scheduled game with 7pt, it needed 4 teams to concur on the change, 3 of the 4 agreed to the change however the 4th team didn`t, guess who that was? Karma is a bi@tch |
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^ | 09:24 AM |
damn...they needed to rest up for a flag game...hahahahahahaha |
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TMNT headquarters | 09:26 AM |
Master splinter sorry for dishonoring you! We are bi*chassness. |
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Dumbells Novacaine coach |  |
| 09:26 AM |
Man this is just wrong. I`m not even playing this year for various reasons but one of them being the way playoffs are handled. Last Fall this happened to Novacaine. We beat the Wolves in round 1, and we were set to place GameFace next. We could have played ANY other night except Thursday. ANYTIME. But GameFace refused to move the game from 8:00pm Thursday night. We barely fielded a team and lost 24-0. Not saying we would`ve won with a full squad, but it would`ve at least gave everyone involved piece of mind.
After the game, Tom told me he understood why this system was flawed and assured me that the way playoffs would be handled in the future would change. He said the top seed would get to select 2 nights that worked for them, and the lower seed would choose one of those two nights. Did 7pt not get this option? If so, that is all screwed up. Every team plays nearly $1000 per year to this league and when it matters most, they are told to play ONE night or forfeit? Man...
From what it looks like, this could`ve been the best game of the season. But TMT who plays Weeknights and Sundays can`t adjust the schedule so they actually play? There`s always been a gentleman`s rule in this league and that is this: You only want to beat a team if they have their full squad. You don`t want to win by forfeit, and you don`t want to make a team play you with 6 players, etc. The fact that this game won`t happen because the #1 seed has ALL the scheduling power, is a big flaw in this league. |
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tmt | 09:26 AM |
seriously play the game. otherwise even if you win the ship no one will give you respect |
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seriously | 09:34 AM |
win the right way tmt. Don`t do it this way. I`m pulling for ya`ll but this is just disappointing. |
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Dat dude | 09:38 AM |
Well said Dumbells. This game should be played.
I think almost everyone would agree, there has never been a semi-final A league game won by forfeit.
It`s pathetic. |
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u mad bro? | 09:40 AM |
I gave TMT mad props for winning nationals etc but wow thats a weak move. Its just flag fellas we pay to play. You earn respect when you play at a high level. Not wanting to play for rest or other BS is putting y`all at ladyboy level. All that work y`all put in to be somebody don`t mean ish now. Yall officially garbage. |
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in another view | 09:47 AM |
LOL it`s funny how everyone is nagging on TMT ( or maybe just one or two 7pt players talking back and forth to themselves) But TMT is not the one forfeiting, 7 pt is.. All I have to say is above posts were right, the schedule for playoffs for this week were posted over a week ago, so 7 pt knew it was Thursday.Yeah it`s some bs that TMT won`t reschedule it, but 7 pt should play regardless of who they have showing up. Kind of like the Novacaine game last season, they didnt forfeit, they still showed up..
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Grove 7 PT Spread |  |
| 09:49 AM |
So just so I`m clear, we should pick up random guys that didn`t play all season to play a playoff game? Seems legit |
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ESPN breaking news | 09:50 AM |
This just in, this game WILL be played, an update will be sent out later, please stand bye! |
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27 | 09:52 AM |
Monday.... |
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Hey Grove/Cody... | 09:53 AM |
Just asking, but why can`t a team of 8 be fielded for Thursday?
I thought you guys had 18 or so on the roster. |
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CodyW 7 PT Spread coach |  |
| 09:54 AM |
Kamal... log in and tell me if I have said anythign that is a lie? I just showed you where i was coming from.
For all the closest that keep living behind the, schedule was posted a week in advance, shut it. 1) no it wasn`t it was posted friday moring after the proj x/tmt game. 2) there we 2 other potential game times that were dismissed for reason`s i`ll let any TMT guy explain. 3) Option 3 was a no-go for us. I told Tom it doesn`t matter to me, if that is the only night they can play on, give them the win.
Patrick, you know me, we`ve talked about stuff like this before and you know good and well i would never not ask to reschedule based on 1 or 2 players key or not. While the game may be important on the surface, it`s flag football, not life. We do this as a hobby.
Now i`ve name 3 people in this message, any one of them can log in and feel free to tell me if what i said is not the truth.
1. Kamal 2.Patrick 3.Tom
Like i said, I could put end to all this speculation an post screen shots but it`s not that important. Kamaal has them so he knows the deal. |
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^^^^ | 09:54 AM |
^^^ EXACTLYYYY MY POINT |
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CodyW 7 PT Spread coach |  |
| 10:00 AM |
All closets saying we can`t field a team. 1) yes if i needed to i can get 8 people to the field.
2)(and this is a bigger issues)... I`m sick and tired of every single week Tom contacting me about a team trying ot switch there games for xyz amoutn of reason. every single week it`s something different with team. you guys have started taking toms kindness and flexibility and started abusing it. I told tom in week 4 or so after gameface called us with the same ****, i`m not going it no more. We show up with 9 or 10 routinely and lose games becaue anybody on my team can attest i dont ask more than once to come to the game. We`re grown men, the game is going ot be between mon-thurs between 8-10, if you`re committed to playing on this team the game will fall in that range. that being said something similiar happened this time, it just so happen they want to play on a date that does NOT work for us, so it is what it is. I`m sure patick understand this... |
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TMT coach |  |
| 10:03 AM |
Geeez, Enough arguing. Not the best way to start anyones morning. Regardless of what we think and what they think it doesn`t matter because this game will happen, it`s not going down as a forfeit win. We want to play them very bad. |
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good ish | 10:08 AM |
A TMT player with some sense. Make it happen since it would be a great game. Best of luck fellas. |
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^ | 10:08 AM |
Oh yeah this game should be played on Thursday or Cody`s passive agressive personality wins again. He mentions that teams take advantage of Tom but here he is doing EXACTLY that! He`s just too blind to see it |
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^ | 10:08 AM |
what do the screenshots say #10? |
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T.O. | 10:14 AM |
Getcha popcorn ready! |
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CodyW 7 PT Spread coach |  |
| 11:12 AM |
how is this passive aggressive, i agreed that my team will LOSE this game and effectively end our season.
like i said, kamal has what was told to me. so if nobody else knows, where i`m coming from HE AND TOM do? I spoke to the other core captains on my team about it, they were ok with it and `WE` made the decision.
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@ kamal | 11:35 AM |
How are you gonna make this game possible if Tom has already agreed to berto & Zach saying they`d take the win?
You gonna go back and ask Tom to change it now? |
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TOM
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| 11:52 AM |
Update: This game will be rescheduled for next week. |
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Yippeeee! | 12:28 PM |
Thomas the train to the rescue again! |
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Looks like | 12:34 PM |
TMT ain`t scared of nothin... Game on fellas |
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7pt | 12:46 PM |
You cried so much and got your way there you go. Man like you said your guys know what days you would play all season Monday - Thursday 8-10. If TMT does not show up next week you guy going to reschedule it lol lol. This is a JOKE. |
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Captain Wisdom | 1:02 PM |
Now TMT, don`t go throwing any flags this game. Oh, and by the way, cursing is a personal foul too. |
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Re | 1:40 PM |
Or hitting officials with their own flags SMMFH
Is #1 for TMT banned from weeknights too??? (We need to know Tom!!!!!)
So many storylines...is Russ officiating this game too???
This is just as good as GAME OF THRONES (well not exactly) but a lot of juicy intrigue |
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@ Tom | 1:42 PM |
You gotta video tape this game!!! |
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TMT HEADQUARTERS | 2:06 PM |
The rescheduling of the game was a decision made by TMT. If we wanted, this game could`ve easily been a forfeit on behalf of 7 point spread, but we did whatever we had to do to give the league and Cody what they wanted. The guy contradicts himself every time he accuses another team or player. With that being said, all this should be in the past now. LETS PLAY SOME FOOTBALL! |
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CodyW 7 PT Spread coach |  |
| 2:32 PM |
you`re saying the obvious. the rescheduling of the game was ONLY tmt`s choice, we`d already decided/excepted our fate.
name 1 contradition tho.
actually i`ll give you a contradition, you`re a closet. I`ve been in contact with YOUR master, and YOUR qb and they all know/knew the deal. In fact, they both knew it last night. D@mn, they dont even let you in the loop huh.. oh and thanks for helping us out. |
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TMT HEADQUARTERS | 3:03 PM |
No we wouldn`t be taking the forfeit. We just had to find a day that worked for our team, whats so wrong about that. We are ready to go through anyone standing in the way of our trophy. |
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grant | 3:23 PM |
Honestly If I was TMT i wouldnt of changed the game to cater to 7 pt.. That`s BS.. But to each its own, more power to TMT |
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^ | 3:43 PM |
prob not a coincidence you won`t identify yourself when you say that.
It`s not even about catering. TMT shouldn`t be put in a position where they can cater. I agree w Dumbells. Top seed picks two nights. Lower seed chooses one of the two. No further bickering, the game is set. |
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^^ | 3:44 PM |
so you would rather move on with a forfeit? Why not play a team that has a good chance of winning; if you beat them you move on and its justified |
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7pt QB | 4:57 PM |
ummmmm, I`m out on Monday... |
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RESPECT | 5:08 PM |
That`s all I have to say. Win or lose TMT you got my respect. You had an easy ride to the championship and you took the harder route. Thats some boss **** right there. I have no choice but to route for them now that my team is out. Good luck to everyone else left as well. |
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@respect | 5:14 PM |
What was the harder route? |
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Real talk | 6:23 PM |
Roberto was worried TMT would be too tired from Sunday and Zack n Dj banged up so he went the bi!ch route(not root).
7pt gonna win by 7. |
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^ | 09:05 AM |
you must play for TMT.
TMT can play any other night. They only selected Thursday because they knew that was the night 7pt couldn`t play. It`s not like TMT will be sacrificing anything by moving the game, it will just actually be a game now instead of a forfeit. I think that makes more sense than saying the ONLY night they can play is Thursday, doesn`t it? |
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SMDH | 10:39 AM |
Do you guys understand that people have their own lives outside of football. Family, work, commitments, etc. The #1 seed picks day and time, bottom line. If being the top seed means nothing we might as well just have a damn tournament and not a season. 7 point has played their last 3 regular season games in Centreville on Thursdays. You guys are obviously on 7 point. You should be thankful that TMT is even considering rescheduling the game so you can field a BETTER team than you could this Thursday night because:
EVERY PLAYER AND COMMISSIONER KNOWS DAMN WELL 7 Point Spread CAN FIELD A TEAM THIS THURSDAY.
They just don`t want to get embarrassed with the team they put out there. |
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CodyW 7 PT Spread coach |  |
| 10:49 AM |
@SMDH... who as ever said we had anythign against playing on Thursdays and in Centreviille. Sounds like somebody putting something in your head, that shouldn`t be there..
We said we couldn`t play THIS Thursday, adn that wouldn`t change if the game was in my back yard.
You`re making this too complicated. Regardless if we could field a team with 7, 8 or 30, we`re unavailble to play on THIS Thursday. |
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Past Post Seasons | 10:53 AM |
EVERY TOP SEED IN THE PAST, EVEN INCLUDING THE 2nd SEED AT TIMES HAVE RECEIVED A BYE IN THE FIRST WEEK OF PLAYOFFS. Damn right they should be able to pick date and time.
TMT dont worry about these people voicing their opinion. It should mean nothing to you. |
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prayer | 11:07 AM |
^^^ you really believe that the #1 gets to just pick everything. Do they get to pick the refs toe? Do they get to pick what side of field they stand on? |
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lol wow ^^^^^ | 11:38 AM |
That is a very good point. |
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CodyW 7 PT Spread coach |  |
| 11:39 AM |
you sound so full of yourself. getting the #1 seed gets you a lot of things in this league.
1) you play the lowest seed which more than likely is a gimmie game 2) you`ve automatically earned your bid to states 3) in A league you get to pick first the open slot available to play in the 1st round.
you sound very stupid thinking that the #1 seed affords you every opportunity to pick and choose every single thing. Since you bring up the nfl and ncaa. college teams dont get to pick when/where they play. nfl teams get home field advantage and a bye, but they dont get to say, we want to play on saturday vs sunday. some things you get options on somethings should be set in stone are at the best interest of the league and all teams.
riddle me this, since TMT had a problem playing the following monday, what would they ahve done if tom made the championship for monday and they had beat US thursday? becaue if monday is a problem, it should STILL have been a problem right....... dont bother, i know you answer!! |
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lol wow | 11:45 AM |
^^ Cody has an even better point. TMT cry babies just shut up and play. I know it hurts because you thought you had to do NOTHING to get to the championship but you will actually have to play a game to get there. YOU sound stupid thinking you should have scheduling power, and its a B I T C H move to pick the only day that 7PT can`t play simply because you think you might lose if you actually play them. TMT sounding like a bunch a *****ES right now. STFU! |
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CodyW 7 PT Spread coach |  |
| 12:04 PM |
lol i`m not saying that much. most of them are some cool dudes and i seriously doubt they are scared to play us, especially since we`ve never beat them. but i do think it`s probably somebody on there team posting upset with how things went down. they`ve probably been told things that aren`t true, like whoever keeps saying we`ve ever said anything about playing on thursday`s or in centreville. |
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DUMB F*CKS | 12:04 PM |
TMT is 3-0 against 7 point spread you d*ck riding clown, why would they be worried to lose. We want to play 7 Point just as much as they want to play us and Cody will even agree on that. We don`t need a free ride to the championship or a state bid, we plan on getting to the ship if this game happens or not and our state bid is automatic. Shut up and get your damn information correct. But your right TMT should play the day that works best for Cody and company. STFU u dumb idiots. |
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^ | 12:10 PM |
sign in and say it! You scared to put your name on that statement? Hahahaha someone on TMT got their panties in a twist. Throwing a fit behind an anonymous screen name! Just sign in and say it if you want to make a difference, otherwise keep cowering behind your keyboard telling us how unfair it is and try to make us feel sorry for you.
HAHAHAHAHAHA |
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lol smfh | 12:17 PM |
Coming from someone who isn`t signed in. |
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^ | 12:34 PM |
true but im not fighting for a cause. I`m just trolling and laughing watching whoever it is throw a fit and call everyone dumb idiots. I don`t care how this turns out. He does. But he won`t put his name on it. Don`t expect a difference if you won`t. |
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Real Talk | 12:35 PM |
There are actually some cool dudes on TMT`s roster. But when your team is run by H-O-E-S, it makes the whole team a bunch of H-O-E-S! Sorry, guilty by association. It`s the way the world works. |
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TC #00 Big T | 2:07 PM |
Everyone has had the opportunity to voice their opinion, and that is a good thing. The thing is, the right thing happened. I fall on the side of "earn your way in", but Cody made it clear that they made their choice not to play. It`s their call.
Being on one of the remaining teams, I am glad that everyone made the right choice. That includes Tom, Cody and Kamal. We are all competitors, and the right thing happened, fellas. Let`s let it die already.
See you tonight, Collision. |
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CodyW 7 PT Spread coach |  |
| 7:30 PM |
@ its simple.... You`re either stupid or just enjoy being stupid... You said why was out game on Monday..... Umm we`re the 5th seed we didnt get to pick our 1st round game, so that`s a question for whoopdiddy.
But you`re just another closet screaming out non facts. |
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TMT coach |  |
| 7:44 PM |
Cody don`t even waste your time talking back man.. No point, this board is ridiculous. Wish Tom can make it where everyone has to sign in to speak.. |
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TC #00 Big T | 00:01 AM |
Repairing my torn bung hole. Heh heh heh. We are still bums! |
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Josh
 visiting commissioner |
| 00:28 AM |
Boards can be setup to require logged in posting. It gets very quiet and boring when you go that route. |
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Hey Josh | 01:04 AM |
Can you make a rule that kickers can`t post. Seriously, no kickers. |
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TMT | 02:39 AM |
should stand for TOO MUCH TALKING |
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Just wondering | 08:59 AM |
Is TMT the new Spartans team? Lots of talk all year of how good they are and they are the team to beat.. Then fall Short |
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^ | 10:01 AM |
agree tom...we would miss out on a lot of the trash if you reqiured a log in |
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TMT HEADQUARTERS | 11:12 AM |
We won the Turkey Bowl and National Championship last year and just won another league this past weekend.
Can you please explain to me how we fall short? |
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TMT HEADQUARTERS | 11:16 AM |
Oh and if you haven`t noticed or had a chance to look at the standings, we also went undefeated this season. |
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Well its true. | 11:34 AM |
Undefeated means they haven`t lost |
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^^^^^ | 11:59 AM |
Lol they said undefeated, not that they have won every game. STOP HATING SO MUCH! smh |
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SHOW TIME- #TMT TMT asst coach |  |
| 12:35 PM |
It`s all about who is the last team standing when it is all said and done. Looks like Triple Crown is left on the other side. Now it`s up to us and 7 Point Spread to battle it out to decide their opponent. Should be fun. |
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vet | 11:28 AM |
The schedule has been a sore spot for this league the last few years. When I started playing years ago the schedule, the whole schedule was posted prior to the season starting. Now, it`s like a week or a few days before and usually only the first few weeks. It used to be your game was played when it was schedule, if people couldn`t make it tough s h I t. too many "special" considerations are being made for teams. Get more strict comish`s |
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CodyW 7 PT Spread coach |  |
| 12:27 PM |
Tom does a great job at being flexible. Some teams have done a terrible job at abusing that flexibiilty. |
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yup | 08:37 AM |
Like u cody^^ |
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score? | 08:41 AM |
who won last night? |
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Re: score? | 09:05 AM |
Im pretty sure the game was cancelled last night |
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WOW | 09:27 AM |
TMT really got screwed in this whole ordeal. |
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basically | 09:35 AM |
TMT went from winning a forfeit game to playing tonight and if winning playing again against TC.. yea they got screwed! |
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This is an outrage | 09:42 AM |
This is why you dont succumb to the pressure of closet posters saying its unfair. TMT could`ve easily won this thing now they have the hardest scenario possible. |
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Closet Poster | 10:37 AM |
I want to play for TMT. Where can i sign up? |
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TMT HEADQUARTERS | 10:58 AM |
We will be holding try-outs in a few weeks. We will keep the league updated on the dates and times. |
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^ | 1:39 PM |
YAY cant wait for try outs |
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^^ | 2:25 PM |
I don`t want to try out to be a kicker. |
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Unfair | 2:57 PM |
TMT wins this area our first national title and gets the #1 seed yet we have no say in when we play? |
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^^ | 3:20 PM |
How do you not have a say? |